Tom Kreitzberg contributes to the debate between George Coyne, S.J. & Cardinal Schonborn
Tom Kreitzberg at the Disputations blog appends a few more comments on the debate between George Coyne, S.J. and Cardinal Schonborn:
Fr. George V. Coyne, SJ, Director of the Vatican Observatory, reportedly gave a talk titled "Science Does Not Need God, or Does It? A Catholic Scientist Looks at Evolution" last night at a university in Florida.
If that link does indeed "represent[] the essentials" of his presentation (I don't know why it wouldn't be, but I wasn't there), then my reservations regarding him as an authority on the intersection of science and faith are only strengthened.
A post at Cosmos-Liturgy-Sex raises several detailed objections to that text. Let me add two or three others.
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i have read with great interest some of the postings on disputational gems and am very interested to note that the 543 Council was not Ecumenical. I can have hope that there is no valid anathematisation of the belief in universal salvation.
i would be very pleased to learn of the status of any other councils which have pronounced on this.
meanwhile: Pope Benedict XII defined in Benedictus Deus that the souls of those who die in actual mortal sin go down into hell soon after their death, and there suffer the pains of hell. He continued: Nevertheless, on the Day of Judgment, all men will appear with their bodies before the tribunal of Christ to render an account of their personal deeds, that “each one may receive what he has won through the body, whether good or evil” (II Cor. 5:10)
Pope Benedict XII defines for all time that the souls of those who die in actual mortal sin go down into hell soon after their death, and there suffer the pains of hell.
Nevertheless, he further defines, and defines for all time, that they will later meet Christ, appearing before him with their bodies!
This hell, as defined by the papal bull, is clearly not “eternal separation” from God.
Also we have the well known scripture:
Romans 14:11 for it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue confess to God. (KJV)
When all confess that Jesus is Lord, we all believe in him.
”All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." Acts 10:43
John 12:44-47 then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
1 Cor. 12:13 no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost
If then every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, the Holy Spirit is in everyone, wherever – earth or heaven or "hell" - they may be at the time!
2 Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Gal 4:6-7 The proof that you are sons is that God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts; the Spirit that cries: “Abba, Father”, and it is this that makes you a son, you are not a slave any more; and if God has made you son, then he has made you heir.
I would be very grateful for references that diminish the staus of the teachings against universal salvation
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